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By Laura Forbes
Monday, March 31, 2008 at 9:34 p.m.

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Its been nearly a year since a gunman opened fire at Virginia Tech, Killing 32 people. The incident sparked a student movement to allow concealed weapons on campus. Now some UCCS students are joining that movement.

State law allows those with concealed carry permits to bring guns on college campuses. However, the interpretation of the law has been that colleges can ban or allow weapons.

Colorado State University in Fort Collins honors concealed carry permits, but the Regents to the University of Colorado do not allow weapons on any of its campuses.

The university has added new security measures since the Virginia Tech shootings, including a text message alert system. But some students say, while that might keep students from coming onto campus, or get buildings under lockdown, that doesn't help those who are already under attack. So far, about a dozen UCCS students have joined a group that wants to carry concealed weapons on campus.

Bobby German carries his gun with him everywhere he goes. "If I'm going down to the store to buy some milk I have it with me," he said.

Everywhere that is-- except his college campus, where weapons aren't allowed. "I think its a dangerous and a bad policy all together," he said.

He and John Davis founded the UCCS chapter of "Students for Concealed Carry on Campus," which formed after the Virginia Tech shootings, and now boasts more than 23 thousand members. They say, banning guns makes students, like those at Virginia Tech, vulnerable.

"If one person in one of those classrooms was able to defend themselves its possible there would have been fewer casualties," said Davis.

"You don't see people shooting up a firing range or a police station," said German.

"No matter how hard you try someone is going to see that concealed weapon," said UCCS Police Chief Jim Spice. He says the sight of a gun can interfere with learning.

"They no longer feel free to express whatever thought, whatever topic they happen to be debating at the time," he said.

And he says, the minimum training isn't enough to handle that kind of situation.

"Eight hours doesn't seem enough practice to be proficient that you could miss and strike an innocent student," he said.

Spice isn't their only opposition. Someone has been tearing down the group's flyers almost as soon as they go up. But Davis and German vow to fight on.

From April 21 through 25, they'll wearing empty holsters around campus, as part of the group's nationwide protest.

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28 Year Old UCCS Student

Posted by Anonymous Joe, colorado springs, co - Tuesday, May 06, 2008 at 5:13 p.m.

I go to UCCS and I have CCW permit. I disagree with Spice's comment on not being able to successfully conceal a handgun. Although concealing a full size 1911 is not going to be entirely successful, there are numerous compact handguns that are easily concealable. I carry concealed quite often. My girlfriend, who knows that often carry, is always asking me if I am carrying or not as she can't tell. Very few people know that I have a CCW and I like to keep it that way. Guns do make some people uneasy and that is the last thing that I want to accomplish. This is why I use a concealing system that not even a trained eye would be able to spot. Look, I don't carry because I want to be a "hero" or because I'm just itching to pull out my handgun on someone. I have never had to pull out my handgun and hope that I never do. But faced in a situation where my life is threatened, I don't want to wait 3 minutes for police to arrive. To Larry Darnall's comment: Please tell me of any recent campus shooting where the police ended the perp's life. There has not been a situation where a law enforcement officer had to make a decision of who the perp/victim is in any campus shooting and I don't think there will be. In fact, what recent campus shooting ended where law enforcement eliminated the threat? None....All of them end when the perp takes his own life.

Rebuttal to Hoplophobia

Posted by C Green, Skokomish Nation - Tuesday, April 15, 2008 at 8:32 p.m.

How many must die before theses people wake and realize that criminals do not obey they law? As well intentioned Gun Free Zones are in reality they are Victim Zones where students are herded like sheep to slaughter.
The comments of Chief Jim Spice and Larry Darnall, are the same pap same hoplophobia, many spewed before states passed concealed carry laws. Oh they were sure that blood would be flowing in the streets. Never happened. None of their unfounded fear based predictions have ever come to pass. Instead, violent crimes decreased. Mr Darnall statement about some police officers qualifying as many as four times a year is correct and terrifying. What he does not tell you is, that is also the number of times the vast majority of police officers practice a year. Even when they are given free range time and ammunition. The majority of the CCW holders I know practice at the very least monthly. Many also spend huge sums of money to take intensive training course like those offered at institutions like GunSite. The result is of the 2. 5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker. As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse. Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606)25. And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."
That is not to disparage the good men & women who serve in law enforcement. They also have to spend vast amounts of time in other training for everything from first responder first aid to courses in political correctness. Line officers those on the streets in the patrol cars support CCW. The political positions like Sheriffs that spew the politically correct spin. These same officers know that States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8. 5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%. They understand that criminals prefer unarmed defenseless victims not armed opponents. That is why these mad men do not go to Police or Military academies, National Guard Stations or Military Bases. When these maniacs encounter a legally armed citizen lives are saved.

Kenneth K. Hammond stopped a massacre at the Trolley Square Mall in Utah
Jeanne Assam saved a 1,000 lives at New Life Church in Colorado Springs.

Tracy Bridges & Mikael Gross stopped a mass murder at Appalachian School of Law, after lives were lost while they retrieved their guns from their cars, where they were required by policy to keep them.

Principal Joel Myrick stopped a slaughter at Pearl High School with his .45 after lives were lost while he retrieved his .45 from his car, where it was required by law to be kept.

Restaurant's owner, James Strand stopped killers rampage in Edinboro, Pennsylvania saving the lives of 240 students at a school dance. One teacher John Gillette, 48, was killed

Anti self defense policies are a violation of our basic inalienable human rights granted to us by God or Nature depending upon your beliefs. Our right to defend our lives is not a right the government granted us, rather it is an existing right acknowledged / not granted by our founding fathers in the BIll Of Right. To make it clear it is not within their legitimate authority to limit or control in any way. Contrary to what these anti self defense fanatics think they do not supersede God nor the natural order of things contrary to what think.

Response to Mr. Darnall

Posted by Victor Dominguez, Miami, Florida - Monday, April 14, 2008 at 10:57 p.m.

Brother, you bring up some good points. But your argument can still be argued. I am in no way questioning the police chief's proficiency or competence, but I will put in mine. Im a Staff Sergeant in the US Army Infantry (Ranger). Not any average Army dude who could consist of someone anywhere from a common personel desk jockey to a logistics (supply) desk jockey. No, I am Infantry and that will tell you that I train constantly with my assigned weapons and Im confident in saying that Im proficient with them. The average attacker on any of the recent school shootings has no record of actual training. If you look at the facts of the VTech school shooting you would come to the conclusion that most of the shots were head shots. With a 9mm (or a Pea-shooter as we call it at work) a shot like that will most likely not kill someone UNLESS done at close range. Any student that has a CCW does go through training. Do I think there should be additional training? YES! Maybe quarterly. AT THE LEAST. Proficiency with a weapon is something of a perishable skill. If you dont practice often, you will lose your edge. I personally am for Concealed Carry on campus. BTW. Im also a student. The same way my brothers and I looked out for each other in Iraq. Its the same way Id like to be able to look out for my brothers in school. There is no way that I am going to survive Iraq and then come home and be killed by some snot nosed punk that wasnt hugged enough when he was a kid. You can email me at (presidente006@yahoo.com) I look forward to any replies, comments or concerns.

Boring facts

Posted by C Green, Skokomish Nation - Monday, April 14, 2008 at 10:24 p.m.

Some boring facts, that address the unfounded concerns expressed by the anti self defense fanatics intended to play on the readers emotions.

Kenneth K. Hammond stopped a massacre at the Trolley Square Mall in Utah

Jeanne Assam saved a 1,000 lives at New Life Church in Colorado Springs.

Tracy Bridges & Mikael Gross stopped a mass murder at Appalachian School of Law, after lives were lost while they retrieved their guns from their cars, where they were required by policy to keep them.

Principal Joel Myrick stopped a slaughter at Pearl High School with his .45 after lives were lost while he retreived his .45 from his car, where it was required by law to be kept.

Restaurant's owner, James Strand stopped killers rampage in Edinboro, Pennsylvania saving the lives of 240 students at a school dance one teacher John Gillette, 48, was killed

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* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606). Source:: Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, (1991):111-116, 148

Readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high.". Source:: George F. Will, "Are We a Nation of Cowards'?," Newsweek (15 November 1993):93.

* As many as 561 times a day, women use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault. about 205,000 women use guns every year to protect themselves against sexual abuse. Source:: "Armed Resistance to Crime," at 185.

* Of the 2. 5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.. Source:: "Armed Resistance to Crime," at 173, 185.

* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.. Source:: "Armed Resistance to Crime," at 185.

* Concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in the states that have enacted them. According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8. 5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%.. Source:: "More Guns, Less Violent Crime," The Wall Street Journal (28 August 1996). See also John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, "Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns," University of Chicago (15 August 1996); and Lott, More Guns, Less Crime (1998, 2000).

* More guns, less crime. In the decade of the 1990s, the number of guns in this country increased by roughly 40 million even while the murder rate decreased by almost 40% percent. ----The BATF estimates that licensed gun dealers sell about 4 million new firearms each year. See US Department of the Treasury, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Commerce in Firearms in the United States (February 2000), p. 6, which is available at http://www.atf.treas.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/020400report.pdf. A similar statistic which tracks with the number of firearms sold is the production of new firearms. According to the American Firearms Industry, there were about 4 million new firearms produced each year during the first half of the 1990s in this country. See American Firearms Industry, Production: 1973-1995 at http://www.amfire.com/production.htm. Numbers revealing the drop in the U.S. murder rate during the 1990s, can be examined using the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports. Murders in the United States dropped from a high of 9. 4 murders per 100,000 in 1990 to a rate of 5. 7 per 100,000 in 1999 a drop of 39%.

Accidental gun deaths in the home decreased by almost 40 percent as well. Accidental gun deaths in the home decreased by 38% between 1990 and 1999.. Source:: National Safety Council, Injury Facts (2000), p. 125.

* A Research 2000 poll found that 85% of Americans would find it appropriate for a principal or teacher to use "a gun at school to defend the lives of students" to stop a school massacre. Source:: Research 2000 of Rockville, Maryland. This survey was conducted from January 30 through February 1, 2002. A total of 1101 likely voters nationally were interviewed by telephone.

These anti self defense policies are a violation of our basic inalienable human rights granted to us by God or Nature depending upon your beliefs. Our right to defend our lives is not a right the government granted us, rather it is an existing right acknowledged / not granted by our founding fathers in the Bill Of Rights. To make it clear it is not within their legitimate authority to limit or control in any way. Contrary to what these anti self defense fanatics think they do not supersede God nor the natural order of things contrary to what they think.

Chief makes good arguements.

Posted by Larry Darnall, Colorado Springs - Sunday, April 13, 2008 at 11:08 p.m.

As a fourteen year veteran law enforcement officer I can understand where Chief Spice is coming from. I don't have a problem with concealed carry per-say, however, I have always been concerned with the fact that some day I might be faced with an armed bandit and an lawful cwp holder firing away at each other at the same time. Hopefully, I make the right decision and take out the bandit rather than the good guy. When you have two people shooting at each other, it would be difficult at best to figure out in a split second who exactly is the bad guy. On a different note, I have attended gun shows on occasion while on my off duty time and have spoken with several cwp holders, mostly gun dealers, and to be honest I have encountered (some) folks who are just frothing at the mouth and can't wait to be "given a reason" to blow some dirtbag away. Of course not all cwp holders feel this way, most just want to protect themselves, their familes and their home. Furthermore, I would like to say that carrying a gun is a huge responsibility. I have had to qualify with my duty weapon as many as four times a year with department issued ammunition, and even so, I sometimes inadvertantly let a round go off the target. Police pistol qualifications are surely more involved than shooting at beer bottles and old phone books at some trashed out public shooting range once a year, never mind the legal and liability considerations trained police officers face. You can't make a bullet come back once it's fired and we surely can't bring back the dead. Lastly, I would like to comment on some of your statements about "Waiting for SWAT while people are being killed". That was the way law enforcement used to handle any active shooter situation prior to Columbine. There are new protocalls designed to take out the shooter as quickly as possible by responding officers, so as many of you like to say "check your factual basis" and make sure you know what you are talking about before ridiculing a Police Chief who surely has more experience than the average lay person packing heat.

logical choice

Posted by Arch Stanton, Aurora CO - Saturday, April 12, 2008 at 8:21 p.m.

Facing an armed thug intent on killing you, what is more useful? (a) a firearm you are trained to use (b) a cell phone

Personal Responsibility

Posted by Steven Effex, St. Louis - Thursday, April 03, 2008 at 2:31 p.m.

It seems that the police chief has already forgotten the Virginia Tech shootings. The chief wants students to forfeit their personal responsibility to his department and SWAT. Except for two students, the other 30 students were killed AFTER the Security, Police, State Patrol and SWAT had "responded" and were on campus.

Support CCW on campus

Posted by Earl Pittman, Fort Collins, Colorado - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 at 11:50 p.m.

Chief, making statements which are not based in fact, for example, "No matter how hard you try someone is going to see that concealed weapon," and "Eight hours doesn't seem enough practice to be proficient that you could miss and strike an innocent student," is an abuse of your office and authority.

I am a CCW Permit Holder in CO and thank God for the right to carry a firearm for the protection of myself and family throughout this great State.

I have never had to use my weapon, let alone draw it in self-defense. I carry it with me often, even to my House of Worship, just in case. My firearm has never been displayed in public. I practice on moving targets at my local gun club at least twice per month in order to refine my shooting and safe gun handling skills.

I believe in an individual's Right to Carry, guaranteed to us by the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of these United States of America.

Because no matter what Officers like yourself say, in a public place like Columbine, Omaha's & Salt Lake City's Malls, Virginia Tech Campus, and at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, a criminal with a gun becomes a mass-murder of innocent, un-armed, law-abiding victims until someone with the legal Right to Carry can put an end to the horror.

You should join the other 73% of Americans who support the Right to Carry and issue as many permits as possible. Because the lives you may be able to save by doing so will graduate and find a cure for cancer, global warming, renewable fuel sources or invent an even more accurate firearm.

Students right to conceal carry

Posted by Steve King, Houston - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 at 10:17 p.m.

The college should allow it. Statistics bear out the fact that CHL holders are the most law abiding citizens around. The police have all kinds of information about CHL's and their permits have been vetted out by the system. It is a responsibility that all CHL holders take seriously.

When rounds are coming through the classroom door what is 911 going to do for you? 911 is just government sponsored dial-a-prayer.

Carry

Posted by Larry Womble, North Texas - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 at 6:32 p.m.

One thing all the people miss that don't like concealed carry, is the personal responsibility that
concealed carry entails. I would hate to shoot someone, but in a life threatening situation I would have no hesitation.

Spice's logic

Posted by Mike K, Detroit, MI - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 at 2:27 p.m.

Police chief Spice says that if a student sees a weapon that "They no longer feel free to express whatever thought...". Does chief Spice have any factual data to back up that statement? I'm inclined to believe that he does not. If you, chief Spice, wish to sway the opinion of fair-minded people, try applying some fair-mindedness to your argument. Not only am I unchanged by your "logic", but I now believe you to be a propagandist, unwilling to consider sensible opinions that oppose yours.

What will the Chief say after a massacre.

Posted by Ron Nord, San Francisco, Ca - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 at 1:40 p.m.

" No matter how hard you try someone is going to see that concealed weapon," said UCCS Police Chief Jim Spice. Hey Jim, hopefully its the maniac who see's the gun and decides not to kill students that day. Chief Spice what are you going to say if there is a killing spree, ooops. You guys are a lot of help, in all the killings on campuses, I have never seen or heard where you guys were any help at all before or during the shooting. By training your not pro active, you wait for the SWAT team to get there and by that time everyone is dead. Instead of being grateful for help from people who have who have a interest in staying alive you throw away help that could be on hand, not to smart Chief, maybe you should get out of the business.

Allow protection for law-abiding citizens

Posted by Melody Walters, Macomb County Michigan - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 at 7:40 a.m.

A restriction on handgun carry only applies to the law-abiding citizen. When there are "gun free zones" it is like an invitation to the armed criminal. He knows that there is no personal protection in these areas and therefore can do as much damage as possible until law enforcement arrives - usually much too late to curb the carnage. Arm the law-abiding citizen and the criminal will likely do much less damage. I'm sure that if an innocent bystander was harmed by the law abiding citizen at Virginia Tech it would still be better than 32 dead. And we are only assuming that there would be "collateral damage". My guess is that the majority of the people who carry concealed wouldn't miss.

Do I get my own personal body guard?

Posted by Doug French, Austin, TX - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 at 7:27 a.m.

You know what else interferes with learning? Criminals who come to soft targets like shootings looking to go out in a blaze of "glory."

Will Jim Spice offer every student on campus a personal security guard? No? I guess that means everyone is responsible for their own safety.

Don't believe me, trying suing the government if you are robbed or rapped. Let me know if you win.

Maybe the Chief should recommend an alternative Gunman On Campus Defense class

Posted by Joe Fowler, Lincoln, NE - Wednesday, April 02, 2008 at 1:39 a.m.

This sounds like one of my worst dreams. Friends on campus, at a mall or wherever being shot, I'm sitting there watching it and having no way to defend myself or to defend them. I know the UCCS Police Chief feels citizens may not be "ready to distinguish targets and exercise proper discipline when shooting". Maybe the Chief should recommend an alternative Gunman On Campus Defense class be offered. For instance, this class may teach students and faculty such things as:

*rapid printing and posting of no gun signs.

*best places to hide.

*choosing the best desks to hide under.

*finding a better place to hide in the time it takes the shooter to reload

*surviving by pretending to be dead while others around you are being shot

*putting our hands up or wrapping our arms around our friends defensive techniques

* the importance of never defending yourself or others.

*landing skillfully while jumping out windows to escape the gunman.

*talking the assailant into surrendering his or her gun.

* Best techniques or taunts used for getting the assailant to take his or her own life... sooner!

* Is praying allowed? How to pray with all the screaming, dozens and dozens of shots being fired etc.

*interpreting e-mail warnings after a shooting or other menace.

Remember when seconds count the police are only minutes away! No insult intended to Law Enforcement, they just cannot be everywhere at once. We can look at places were concealed carry is allowed without any problems. We can look at places with gun ban policies and see that time after time gun free zones are where the worst shootings take places. How many in-progress campus shootings have the police stopped?

Concealed carry permit holders are at least 21 and have had state a Federal back ground checks. To get those permits, they have to be some of the most law abiding citizens around. What do you know about the rest of the student body?

I would agree that more advanced and ongoing training is needed and should be strongly encouraged for anyone (including officers) willing to take on such an awesome responsibility. If this means some individuals need extra training, then so be it.

Ask any police officer you know, how often they are allowed to fire their gun in practice... no really... I'm asking you to check this out. While your at it, ask what is required to qualify with a side arm and how often the need to qualify. Police personnel will tell you that most in their ranks barely qualify with their firearm. Fortunately some are very qualified by their own initiative as is the case with a lot of gun owners including, CCW permit holders, hunters etc.

Having said all this, concealed weapon permit holders are the only ones that will obey the ban. They are not the ones you need to worry about!

Carrying on Campus

Posted by Doug Davis, Memphis, TN - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 at 9:30 p.m.

If someone is licensed to carry a firearm, and does so everywhere he or she goes, why should they not be allowed to do so on campus? They don't suddenly forget all of their training and go crazy just because they are on a school campus. Those who are trained and allowed to carry know when to use a weapon and when not to. A school campus is no different than a shopping mall or any other place the student can go armed. Most classroom doors cannot be locked from the inside. If a crazed gunman is on the loose, like VA Tech, I would feel safer knowing that there were other people on campus, teachers and students, who were responsible firearm owners who could take out the killer before the death toll reached ridiculous numbers like it did there. Why should one student, let alone 32, be slaughtered because of silly liberal biases when common sense (which doesn't seem to be too common at all) could prevent so many deaths?

Concealed carry on campus

Posted by Francis Elliott, Pineville, LA - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 at 6:48 p.m.

The gunmen at Va. Tech, and other schools know that they are secure, and are not likely to face an armed student. The multiple killings have all been in places which have a gun ban.

Trained and armed students would reduce the danger all are subjected to at this time.

Support for concealed carry on campus

Posted by Ranger04 Ranger)4, Columbus - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 at 6:39 p.m.

I am an unarmed Security Officer on a community college campus. I fully support the right of students to carry concealed firearms. I would feel less threatened by a person who has had an extensive background check, had some training and has demonstrated poficency with a firearm, than the normal run of the mill student. By that person applying for a concelaed cary permit, they are much more cognizant of the laws and are probably of better and sound judgment than many faculty or staff. Do you know the history of your kids dorm roommate, there is no background check to get into college or to enroll in any school that I am aware of. Can the administration gurantee the safety of the students? My experince says NO. My job in a shooting situation would be to observe and clean up the blood of those murdered. I wish people would take the safety and security of our college students seriously and not disarm them. We are responsible for our own safety, if the adminsitaration takes away my personal responsibilty, then they are assuming it.If they are assuming it, then they are also assuming any and all liability.

ccw on college campuses

Posted by kimberly case, missouri - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 at 6:10 p.m.

Think about this? You are sitting in class,when you hear gunshots outside the hallway of your school. The teacher tells everyone to take cover at the back of the room and to cover yourselves with desks,tables, anything you can find. the teacher locks the door, and runs to the back of the room with the students. The police have been called, but they can't enter the building yet due to not enough officers on the scene. In the meantime this person is trying to break in the door to enter. Do any of the students in the classroom, have a gun on them incase he enteres the room to protect you all. Or do you take your chances on waiting for the police? If just one student in your room has a gun and is trained on that weapon,and he shoots the suspect and saves lives, don't you think it would be worth it? look in the mirror and ask yourself this? do you think you would be looking in this mirror right now, if it wasn't for that one student who SAVED YOUR LIFE?

The Empirical Data Clearly Show that Guns SAVE LIVES!!

Posted by Mike S, California - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 at 5:30 p.m.

By any objective and fair assessment or analysis, the overwhelming empirical data clearly and unequivocally demonstrate that civilian gun carry reduces overall violent crime and gun crime.

Right now in the U.S. 40 of the 50 states routinely allow qualified civilians to carry guns for self-defense. An additional 8 states have some kind of gun-carry permit system but can arbitrarily deny a permit to a qualified applicant (my home state of California is one such restrictive state).

If allowing widespread gun-carry by civilians were so "dangerous" as some say, you'd expect higher rates of violent crime including gun crime in the 40 states where almost anybody can carry a gun. But the fact of the matter is that crime rates in these states are LOWER not higher.

The data speak for themselves. All that's needed is a truly open-minded, "tolerant" approach to embracing "diversity" in thought, policy and action; something the liberal gun-controllers would have, if indeed they were truly "open-minded" people they claim to be.

Banning CCW on Campus is Wrong

Posted by Geoffrey Meade, San Antonio - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 at 2:33 p.m.

Chief Spice mirrors the statements of many senior administrators, in both the police and academic systems, with his comments; however, they just don't hold up. I've been carrying concealed for years now and no one has ever noticed. The idea that someone WILL inevitably notice is just not true. Secondly, the idea that no one would be able to keep their mind on what they were doing, or continue a debate topic if they DID notice someone was carrying, is also very questionable. If staying focused in class is really a worry, it would be much more effective to revise the campus dress codes than worry about people carrying cncealed guns. As a guy, I've generally been much more distracted by what was NOT concealed in college classes than by what was. In any case, the issue is really the right to defend oneself, if necessary. If it were true that students were likely to be distracted, or even frightened, by seeing someone carrying a gun, that would still be a cheap price to pay for the increased safety it would bring to the class. As for accidently being hit in a crossfire, one's chances of being hit BY ACCIDENT in such a situation, are far less than the chances of being hit ON PURPOSE by the only armed person in the area, if some nut case like Cho comes along.

Friendly Fire

Posted by Ron O, Texas - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.

Death or injury frequently occurs in the military because of Friendly Fire, but you do not see either side laying down their guns because of it.

I accept that a Friendly Fire incident may occur in civilian life and I trust that our laws will handle that incident. All I ask is that you hit the bad guy with your next shot.

Our laws on concealed carry and the use of lethal force are enough to make the defender aware of the consciences of a missed shot. This is a great responsibility that the Concealed Carry person freely accepts to ensure that he or she can protect themselves and loved ones (yea even you) from the deadly affects of a crazed killer.

UCCS Family for CCW

Posted by AK Anon, Colorado Springs - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 at 10:41 a.m.

My son attends UCCCS...so do I. I absolutely welcome qualified, licensed, concealed handgun carry on campus. The campus police engaging in job-security comments like 'inhibitions to learning' and the bunkum about students firing and hitting each other hold no water. An armed maniac needs to be stopped in seconds when the campus police are minutes away.

Concealed Carry on Campus

Posted by Stuart Strickler, Missouri - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 at 10:06 a.m.

Concealed carry saves lives. A college student has just as much right to protect themselves on campus as they do anywhere else.

The Police can't be everywhere. Most concealed carry permit holders practice and seek more than the required training.

Some people want to feel safe. Feeling safe is not the same as being safe. False security, like "gun free" zones only apply to the law abiding citizen. Criminals could care less.

Millions of people carry firearms on a daily basis for personal protection. The campus should be no different than the grocery store or gas station.

Constitional Right and Good Sense

Posted by Jeff Marmaro, Aurora - Tuesday, April 01, 2008 at 8:30 a.m.

The arguments against on-campus carry are the same insipid and invalid comments always heard whenever the subject of concealed carry in any form is brought up. However, the doomsayers have NEVER been proven right; while the supporters of concealed carry have statistics on their side (see the works of John Lott, Jr.). We already know from bitter experience what can happen when the innocent are disarmed. We have seen indications of what can happen when the innocent can fire back; and in those cases lives were saved. Therefore, in light of the fact that keeping and bearing arms is both a Constitutionally-supported right and something that makes demonstrable sense, I am alarmed to see folks opposing the bearing of arms by the law abiding; especially on campuses. In my opinion lives can be saved when the innocent are armed; and lives are lost otherwise. In fact, one can make a case that the blood of those killed in "Gun-Free Zones" so-called is on the hands and heads of those who disarm the innocent. It is time to wake up and abandon the well-intentioned but emotionally pleasing but factually fallacious positions opposing concealed carry by the law-abiding.

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